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Speaker wrong on budget veto
by Bob Shiles
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Pearlean Revels: Speaker announced council overrode chairman's budget veto.
Pearlean Revels: Speaker announced council overrode chairman's budget veto.
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Terry Hunt: Parliamentarian said two-thirds muster not met in 13-7 vote.
Terry Hunt: Parliamentarian said two-thirds muster not met in 13-7 vote.
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PEMBROKE — The parliamentarian for the Lumbee Tribal Council says that the tribal speaker ignored his ruling that the council failed to muster the necessary two-thirds majority votes to override Chairman Paul Brooks’ veto of the tribe’s fiscal 2012-13 budget, and instead announced that the override had passed.

According to Councilman Terry Hunt, the parliamentarian, he told Speaker Pearlean Revels during a brief recess after the 13-7 vote on May 17 that in his opinion the motion did not pass. Revels returned to the meeting and announced that the council had overridden the chairman’s veto, said Hunt.

When asked by a reporter if she had been advised by Hunt before she announced the outcome of the vote that the motion to override the veto had failed, Revels said: “I don’t care what he said I knew, and I don’t appreciate a statement like that in the media. I have no comments. I have no comments.”

Revels did acknowledge that she announced that the motion to override the veto had passed, and that she does not know what “action the council will take” in light of the parliamentarian’s ruling.

Hunt, at the request of a council member he did not identify, said Wednesday that he has followed up his initial recommendation with a “thorough review” of the vote. The results, he said, were presented in a written report to council members during a Finance Committee meeting Tuesday.

“In my position as parliamentarian, it is my responsibility to ensure that tribal law, tribal rules and regulations and Robert’s Rules of Order are adhered to in the conduct of tribal business at Tribal Council meetings,” Hunt said in his statement. “It is my opinion that based on the Lumbee Tribal Constitution, tribal law and prior tribal court rulings that on the vote to override the veto of the tribal chairman related to the Fiscal Year 2012-13 budget, the Tribal Council failed to achieve two-thirds majority of votes necessary to override the chairman’s veto. It is my opinion that the announcement that the motion passed was incorrect and the motion failed for lack of affirmative votes.”

Hunt said he believes that the tribe must continue to operate on a continuing resolution that requires the tribal government to operate at the same funding level as it did during the previous fiscal year.

Fourteen votes are needed for an override by the full 21-member council, but only 20 council members were present for the vote. Thirteen out out of 20 is 65 percent, short of the two-thirds majority.

“Some of the council members didn’t like what I had to say, but my job as parliamentarian is to see that the law is followed,” Hunt said. “At the end of the night, even McDuffie (Cummings), the Finance Committee chairman, agreed with the findings.”

Neither Cummings or Brooks could be reached for this story.

Tribal Administrator Tony Hunt said this morning that the administration has not been advised by the Tribal Council what would happen next.

“We have our tentative numbers for next year’s (2013-14) budget and are working on that,” Hunt said. “… What’s important is that we are continuing to ensure that services are getting out to our tribal members.”

The council in March had approved a $24.9 million budget for the fiscal year that began last October. Most of the budget is made up of money received from the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development. Cummings at the May 17 meeting said that the council’s proposed 2012-13 budget was comprehensive. He said that the budget included all of the projects that had been approved for any of the tribal districts.

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Alvaro820
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June 10, 2013
Rossisnotbright stated, "it should be KNOWN"

as a reply to culture. Have you ever studied the Red Man's Lodges or Lodge movements of Robesonian county? Your racist's comments have no place on this or any other blog. Our cultural classes do a great job? BTW, have you read the accounts of Vernon Cooper, Mary Locklear, and the studies of Mary Margaret Steedly and Edward Croom? Have you read the 12 governmental studies conducted by the Smithsonian etc. including Ella Deloria, about our people? When elders pass away, tribes lose valueable knolwedge. We are teaching our tribal knowledge to our young people. What is the difference in what we are doing than what other Indian nations are doing with their culture classes in preserving our culture? I but I forgot you won't entertain any idea that is the truth. Hey Ross, Epta Tewa Newasin'. Bet we'll be teaching that again soon, too! Hack!!! Oh by the way C. C. "1/256" Watts says hi!!!
LumbeeOversight
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June 08, 2013
To the editor...

Why is it my post was displayed and now it's taken off???? What was wrong with was said...? It's only the truth... Someone up there must be in someone's pocket???
AmericanVet
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June 08, 2013
Another note to ROSSisRIGHT: Wrong again! Traditions certainly are passed down through generations, but that does not prevent nor obviate the teaching of cultural traditions in specifically dedicated classes in tribal communities. Culture is that complex whole in all human societies (and sub-societies) which includes their beliefs, attitudes, behaviors, language, technology, clothing, science, etc. and all the other aspects of a particular group of human beings. Culture is a system of learned and shared meanings. Culture is essentially everything about humans that is not purely biological. Culture refers to the cumulative deposit of knowledge, experience, hierarchies, religion, notions of time, roles, spatial relations, concepts of the universe, and material objects and possessions acquired by a group of people in the course of generations through individual and group striving. Culture is the systems of knowledge shared by a group of people. Culture is symbolic communication. Culture consists of patterns, explicit and implicit, of and for behavior acquired and transmitted by symbols, constituting the distinctive achievement of human groups. Culture is the sum total of the learned behavior of a group of people.

Thus when American Indian tribes hold classes (which they do all over the country) in which they teach/transmit their culture, they may be teaching/transmitting any or all of the above listed aspects of human existence.

As for your comment about language, I did not think it merited a response. Perhaps you should read "Fine In The World: Lumbee Language In Time And Place" (Wolfram, Dannenburg, Knick and Oxendine; 2003) for a broader perspective than you manifest here.
kjstephe
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June 07, 2013
I love cheeseburgers
AmericanVet
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June 07, 2013
Note to ROSSisRIGHT: In this case, you are not "right." Actually, many tribes all over the country hold classes, especially for their younger members, in which they teach tribal culture and history. Perhaps some honest-to-goodness research would be helpful to you.
ROSSisRIGHT
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June 07, 2013
You made a small innocent(sure) mistake. You said "they teach culture and history" in the same sentence to try and slip it by...but not when I'm here. Look, they may teach "history", heck our schools teach this, but that witty bitty word you slipped in "culture" should not have to be taught, it should be KNOWN.

Example: The "gangster thug culture", do they have classes on Monday and Thursday to teach this lifestyle or is it "learned" from their "elders" and surroundings and passed down from each generation?

Try that lame excuse with someone else, it wont get by me.

ps. And you conveniently ignored what I said about the language...

Ross, plain ol Robesonian...oh, and proud too.
CoolChange
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June 07, 2013
Ross

You need to get checked out!

Your post use to be plausible but recently they have been way off base.

Please post only meaningful comments and keep the nonsense to yourself!
ROSSisRIGHT
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June 08, 2013
coolchange: My comments are "plausible" to you as long as it's not against what you believe....

Wow, that's nice to know. You agree with me as long as I don't cross the line.

Don't work that way with me, I treat all equal and say the truth and let the chips fall where they may...

ps. Prove me wrong with facts.
WakeUpRobCo
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June 07, 2013
This is why I have nothing to do with the tribe. I don't want the money they steal from tax payers. I don't want to be part of their "selective" enrollment. What tribe only enrolls members at certain times in the year?!

Anyways, I'm not surprised by more infighting. These idiots don't realize they're shooting themselves int the foot when it comes to the recognition they think they deserve. Speaking of that, the tribe was recognized by the federal government in the 1950s but not given money, so for them to say it's not about the money is a nothing but lies. Everything they do is about money and not about the advancement or INDEPENDENCE of the people.

So until they start acting like civilized people, both the tribal government and the "enrolled" members, I will say that I'm just Native American or white.
ROSSisRIGHT
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June 07, 2013
I second, third, fourth and fifth that!

Well well...I think we are finally getting the message out that we don't want federal recognition or the sinful money attached.

Also WakeUpRob, what tribe has classes to teach their "traditions"? I would think traditions would be passed down from one generation to another and we'd all know em. Out of 57,000 members not one can speak "lumbee language" either...not one.
PercyKution
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June 06, 2013
'Ol "Brows" Revels and "Louisville John" Canty would make a lovely couple...ALWAYS complaining about ANYTHING and EVERYTHING. But...they're both same-sex marriage democrats, so I guess that wouldn't work.
Wolfpackdave
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June 07, 2013
Good ole boys Ross and Percy. Where your comments on YOUR lawyer being sued for millions of unpaid loans. If he was a LUM you would crucify him........
CoolChange
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June 06, 2013
It is embarrassing that somebody had to do the math for anyone in this position!

I would guess that there are several other council members who still can't figure out what all the fuss is about!

uncpalumni2009
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June 06, 2013
This tribal situation is a complete joke. With all that is going on in the world, why does this make the news? If funding for the tribe was eliminated there wouldnt be any argument over who is in charge and on the board because no one would be interested in "volunteering" since their pockets aren't being greased..How about the government spend that money on fixing the schools, paving the roads or assisting the elderly.
ROSSisRIGHT
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June 06, 2013
I second, third, fourth and fifth that!

We that matter agree with you. You that don't..well you don't matter
Tiredofthisstuff
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June 06, 2013
What needs to happen here is, every single person that is associated with the Tribe, either employed or Tribal Council, should be dismissed and new people selected. This includes the Tribal Chief and newly elected Administrator.
ROSSisRIGHT
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June 06, 2013
I propose an amendment that we close this group down and deny all state tax money.

Do like any other group and raise the money yourselves and stop mooching off the taxpayer. We are getting fed up with paying for you children to sit up there and fight, cuss and scream every time you get together.

Like moma used to say: "if yall can't play together without fighting, I'ma spank all of you".
Imjustme94
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June 06, 2013
You are one ignorant somebody. I propose an amendment banning ignorant people like you from anything. Wow. You're republican. You downgrade those who aren't. And you have a problem with every single thing the lumbee tribe does. Why don't you get a job. You always on here with nothing good to say. You cant have a job. You ain't no better than anybody just because you registered republican. You aren't the only one who pays taxes. You talk all this junk about everything and you probably ain't no better off than the dope feens running around here. Do us all a favor and shut up. If you're not an old man now best believe before you leave this world you will be one old miserable lone man.
ROSSisRIGHT
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June 06, 2013
Listen sweetie, I don't "downgrade" anyone, they do that themselves. All I do is say it.

It's like a fat person, if I say "you're fat" all I did was say it, but you are the one who made yourself fat, not me...get it?
Wolfpackdave
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June 07, 2013
Good one imjustme94. But your wrong bout Ross he isn't alone .. His cats keep him company.. But they probally don't like him either.... He's a bitter lil man , with big issue.. Mainly hatred for Lumbees. Sorry bro we were here first and we will be here last lil man..
ROSSisRIGHT
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June 07, 2013
Wolfpack: Would it anger you to know I was a Locklear?

ps.Lil man...
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As I read this article then all these comments. I AM DISCUSTED...How dare ANY of you!!!! My brother was a great guy, no one was in the car with him, you didn't offer to drive him nor ride, yet choose to come on here & talk about him in a negative fashion is TOTAL DISRESPECT to all his FAMILY. This story was not about my brother yet about a dealership that was ran into & that is the story the Newspaper has chosen to run. They have that right. But for those of you that feel my brother killed himself? Be for real, if you know Lumberton you know there was NO WAY my brother was doing 90mph hence why there is an investigation. Did my brother like to drink, drive fast on a race track, & have a good time? ABSOLUTLY!!!! & many of you partied with him, then come on here & talk about him. If you have NOTHING positive to say about him KEEP YOUR DARN MOUTH SHUT!!!!! You did not lose a father, son, brother or uncle in this so keep your opinions respectful whether you mean it or not out of RESPECT for my brother, PATRICK LYNN MORGAN!!!!!
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June 18, 2013
I agree with you MadeInBladen. I don't have a problem with them giving money to the communities. Its easy to say what you would do when you're not in that position. Looks like we have a bunch of armchair quarterbacks around here.
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Why get rid of the funds, What about the kids who want to play little league and can't afford it? I understand that the commissioners know that it is the taxpayers money and it is going back to the community.
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Auntie got you Shania Lynn!!!!
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June 18, 2013
As I read this article then all these comments. I AM DISCUSTED...How dare ANY of you!!!! My brother was a great guy, no one was in the car with him, you didn't offer to drive him nor ride, yet choose to come on here & talk about him in a negative fashion is TOTAL DISRESPECT to all his FAMILY. This story was not about my brother yet about a dealership that was ran into & that is the story the Newspaper has chosen to run. They have that right. But for those of you that feel my brother killed himself? Be for real, if you know Lumberton you know there was NO WAY my brother was doing 90mph hence why there is an investigation. Did my brother like to drink, drive fast on a race track, & have a good time? ABSOLUTLY!!!! & many of you partied with him, then come on here & talk about him. If you have NOTHING positive to say about him KEEP YOUR DARN MOUTH SHUT!!!!! You did not lose a father, son, brother or uncle in this so keep your opinions respectful whether you mean it or not out of RESPECT for my brother, PATRICK LYNN MORGAN!!!!!
BackWithRobeson
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June 18, 2013
I agree with you MadeInBladen. I don't have a problem with them giving money to the communities. Its easy to say what you would do when you're not in that position. Looks like we have a bunch of armchair quarterbacks around here.
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June 18, 2013
Why get rid of the funds, What about the kids who want to play little league and can't afford it? I understand that the commissioners know that it is the taxpayers money and it is going back to the community.
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Aww . Baby Girl Sorry For Your Lost I Know You Loved Him && I Bet You He Loved Just As Much . Im Here If You Need Me && Baby Dont Worry What Them People Has To Say Just Let Them Talk . I Love You Boo && Here If Ya Need Me ! ! ! !
mladybluec
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Auntie got you Shania Lynn!!!!
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As I read this article then all these comments. I AM DISCUSTED...How dare ANY of you!!!! My brother was a great guy, no one was in the car with him, you didn't offer to drive him nor ride, yet choose to come on here & talk about him in a negative fashion is TOTAL DISRESPECT to all his FAMILY. This story was not about my brother yet about a dealership that was ran into & that is the story the Newspaper has chosen to run. They have that right. But for those of you that feel my brother killed himself? Be for real, if you know Lumberton you know there was NO WAY my brother was doing 90mph hence why there is an investigation. Did my brother like to drink, drive fast on a race track, & have a good time? ABSOLUTLY!!!! & many of you partied with him, then come on here & talk about him. If you have NOTHING positive to say about him KEEP YOUR DARN MOUTH SHUT!!!!! You did not lose a father, son, brother or uncle in this so keep your opinions respectful whether you mean it or not out of RESPECT for my brother, PATRICK LYNN MORGAN!!!!!
BackWithRobeson
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June 18, 2013
I agree with you MadeInBladen. I don't have a problem with them giving money to the communities. Its easy to say what you would do when you're not in that position. Looks like we have a bunch of armchair quarterbacks around here.
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Why get rid of the funds, What about the kids who want to play little league and can't afford it? I understand that the commissioners know that it is the taxpayers money and it is going back to the community.
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Aww . Baby Girl Sorry For Your Lost I Know You Loved Him && I Bet You He Loved Just As Much . Im Here If You Need Me && Baby Dont Worry What Them People Has To Say Just Let Them Talk . I Love You Boo && Here If Ya Need Me ! ! ! !
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Auntie got you Shania Lynn!!!!
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As I read this article then all these comments. I AM DISCUSTED...How dare ANY of you!!!! My brother was a great guy, no one was in the car with him, you didn't offer to drive him nor ride, yet choose to come on here & talk about him in a negative fashion is TOTAL DISRESPECT to all his FAMILY. This story was not about my brother yet about a dealership that was ran into & that is the story the Newspaper has chosen to run. They have that right. But for those of you that feel my brother killed himself? Be for real, if you know Lumberton you know there was NO WAY my brother was doing 90mph hence why there is an investigation. Did my brother like to drink, drive fast on a race track, & have a good time? ABSOLUTLY!!!! & many of you partied with him, then come on here & talk about him. If you have NOTHING positive to say about him KEEP YOUR DARN MOUTH SHUT!!!!! You did not lose a father, son, brother or uncle in this so keep your opinions respectful whether you mean it or not out of RESPECT for my brother, PATRICK LYNN MORGAN!!!!!
BackWithRobeson
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June 18, 2013
I agree with you MadeInBladen. I don't have a problem with them giving money to the communities. Its easy to say what you would do when you're not in that position. Looks like we have a bunch of armchair quarterbacks around here.
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Why get rid of the funds, What about the kids who want to play little league and can't afford it? I understand that the commissioners know that it is the taxpayers money and it is going back to the community.
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Aww . Baby Girl Sorry For Your Lost I Know You Loved Him && I Bet You He Loved Just As Much . Im Here If You Need Me && Baby Dont Worry What Them People Has To Say Just Let Them Talk . I Love You Boo && Here If Ya Need Me ! ! ! !
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Auntie got you Shania Lynn!!!!
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As I read this article then all these comments. I AM DISCUSTED...How dare ANY of you!!!! My brother was a great guy, no one was in the car with him, you didn't offer to drive him nor ride, yet choose to come on here & talk about him in a negative fashion is TOTAL DISRESPECT to all his FAMILY. This story was not about my brother yet about a dealership that was ran into & that is the story the Newspaper has chosen to run. They have that right. But for those of you that feel my brother killed himself? Be for real, if you know Lumberton you know there was NO WAY my brother was doing 90mph hence why there is an investigation. Did my brother like to drink, drive fast on a race track, & have a good time? ABSOLUTLY!!!! & many of you partied with him, then come on here & talk about him. If you have NOTHING positive to say about him KEEP YOUR DARN MOUTH SHUT!!!!! You did not lose a father, son, brother or uncle in this so keep your opinions respectful whether you mean it or not out of RESPECT for my brother, PATRICK LYNN MORGAN!!!!!
BackWithRobeson
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June 18, 2013
I agree with you MadeInBladen. I don't have a problem with them giving money to the communities. Its easy to say what you would do when you're not in that position. Looks like we have a bunch of armchair quarterbacks around here.
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Why get rid of the funds, What about the kids who want to play little league and can't afford it? I understand that the commissioners know that it is the taxpayers money and it is going back to the community.
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June 18, 2013
Aww . Baby Girl Sorry For Your Lost I Know You Loved Him && I Bet You He Loved Just As Much . Im Here If You Need Me && Baby Dont Worry What Them People Has To Say Just Let Them Talk . I Love You Boo && Here If Ya Need Me ! ! ! !
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Auntie got you Shania Lynn!!!!
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June 18, 2013
As I read this article then all these comments. I AM DISCUSTED...How dare ANY of you!!!! My brother was a great guy, no one was in the car with him, you didn't offer to drive him nor ride, yet choose to come on here & talk about him in a negative fashion is TOTAL DISRESPECT to all his FAMILY. This story was not about my brother yet about a dealership that was ran into & that is the story the Newspaper has chosen to run. They have that right. But for those of you that feel my brother killed himself? Be for real, if you know Lumberton you know there was NO WAY my brother was doing 90mph hence why there is an investigation. Did my brother like to drink, drive fast on a race track, & have a good time? ABSOLUTLY!!!! & many of you partied with him, then come on here & talk about him. If you have NOTHING positive to say about him KEEP YOUR DARN MOUTH SHUT!!!!! You did not lose a father, son, brother or uncle in this so keep your opinions respectful whether you mean it or not out of RESPECT for my brother, PATRICK LYNN MORGAN!!!!!
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June 18, 2013
I agree with you MadeInBladen. I don't have a problem with them giving money to the communities. Its easy to say what you would do when you're not in that position. Looks like we have a bunch of armchair quarterbacks around here.
MadeInBladen
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June 18, 2013
Why get rid of the funds, What about the kids who want to play little league and can't afford it? I understand that the commissioners know that it is the taxpayers money and it is going back to the community.
Jemyaa !
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June 18, 2013
Aww . Baby Girl Sorry For Your Lost I Know You Loved Him && I Bet You He Loved Just As Much . Im Here If You Need Me && Baby Dont Worry What Them People Has To Say Just Let Them Talk . I Love You Boo && Here If Ya Need Me ! ! ! !
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June 18, 2013
Auntie got you Shania Lynn!!!!
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June 18, 2013
As I read this article then all these comments. I AM DISCUSTED...How dare ANY of you!!!! My brother was a great guy, no one was in the car with him, you didn't offer to drive him nor ride, yet choose to come on here & talk about him in a negative fashion is TOTAL DISRESPECT to all his FAMILY. This story was not about my brother yet about a dealership that was ran into & that is the story the Newspaper has chosen to run. They have that right. But for those of you that feel my brother killed himself? Be for real, if you know Lumberton you know there was NO WAY my brother was doing 90mph hence why there is an investigation. Did my brother like to drink, drive fast on a race track, & have a good time? ABSOLUTLY!!!! & many of you partied with him, then come on here & talk about him. If you have NOTHING positive to say about him KEEP YOUR DARN MOUTH SHUT!!!!! You did not lose a father, son, brother or uncle in this so keep your opinions respectful whether you mean it or not out of RESPECT for my brother, PATRICK LYNN MORGAN!!!!!
BackWithRobeson
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June 18, 2013
I agree with you MadeInBladen. I don't have a problem with them giving money to the communities. Its easy to say what you would do when you're not in that position. Looks like we have a bunch of armchair quarterbacks around here.
MadeInBladen
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June 18, 2013
Why get rid of the funds, What about the kids who want to play little league and can't afford it? I understand that the commissioners know that it is the taxpayers money and it is going back to the community.