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To the Editor,

As president of the Tanglewood Elementary School PTA, I have the unique opportunity to witness the wonderful job our faculty and staff does in educating our children. Unfortunately, the school board and public school administration are hindering our ability to provide an adequate educational environment.

Tanglewood presently has four kindergarten classes with an average class size of 25 students. This average exceeds the state’s limit of an average of 21 students per class. Additionally, due to the cuts in teacher assistants, the kindergarten teachers only have assistants with them six hours a day.

Early this fall, Tanglewood was given approval to add an additional kindergarten classroom and hire a new teacher. Tanglewood is simply out of space for such a classroom as even the music room has already been converted to a third-grade classroom. After much negotiation with the Board of Education, we were told that a mobile unit was on the way. Surveys were done, trees cleared, and a foundation poured, but the state Department of Public Instruction refused to approve the particular mobile unit. Thousands of dollars were wasted and we are now in mid-December with almost half the school year over and no progress for our kindergarteners and their teachers. The Board of Education does not have a solution to bring us into compliance.

The growth in Tanglewood’s student body is due largely to the fact that the school board has approved a large number of out-of-district transfers. Currently, more than 20 percent of our students live outside of the Tanglewood district. Even in the face of our overcrowding, the school board at its meeting on Dec. 13 approved additional transfers to Tanglewood, overriding our principal’s recommendation.

Even with the need for two more classrooms this year, our school’s budget from the county was cut by several thousand dollars. As the only elementary school in Robeson County that does not receive federal Title I funding, Tanglewood’s budget is already tens of thousands of dollars less than other elementary schools in this county.

It is time for administrators and the Board of Education to step up to the plate and do what is right for the students of Tanglewood Elementary as it is the students who are suffering from their political plays.

Sarah Rich

President

Tanglewood Elementary PTA



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Lumbertonbiz
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January 24, 2012
As a Tanglewood parent, I have seen for several years there is an overcrowding problem. I harbor no ill will toward any parent or child from out of district who wants to attend. Unlike some comments I have seen here that are just downright rude, nasty, and petty, I will offer up a solution.

If monies are theoretically allocated to schools on a per capita basis (excluding Title 1), that money needs to go with the child. Also, Tanglewood gets ZERO Title 1 dollars, which means by default that the school's budget is going to be thousands less than other schools of comparable size. It is the only school in the county that does not receive Title 1 funds. The technology at Tanglewood is horrible. There are computers in the classrooms that are so outdated the computer techs can't update them to run the newer software. My solution to that would be for the BOE to allocate more discretionary money to Tanglewood to make up for this shortage.

In other words, put the infrastructure in place to properly educate the children at Tanglewood instead of cramming the students into classrooms and telling the teacher "good luck". This hurts every student there, both in district and out of district.

Contrary to a popular misconception about Tanglewood, it is not a "rich school". Those claiming it is are just wrong. It is a school whose parents are involved and expect the best from there children. For those who wish to criticize Ms. Rich, I have seen her dedicate a tremendous amount of time in her children's classes over the last several years. She talks the talk and walks the walk. Do you?
brediger
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January 10, 2012
I also meant to say that if the school in a child's district is sub-par then the parents should get involved in the school to turn it around. No one is saying Tanglewood kids are any better than any other children. The parents work hard donating their time and talents to make it a great school. If everyone followed their lead there would be no need for transfers.
lock1tobe
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January 09, 2012
Take the Teachers at Tanglewood and deploy them to some of the low performing schools.
BBBD
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January 10, 2012
That's a great idea. Then you'll see that the teachers there aren't any better than other teachers in this county. Not saying there aren't great teachers at Tanglewood, but there are great teachers at every school in this county. There are a lot more ingredients involved in how a school performs on tests than just the teachers.
lock1tobe
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January 13, 2012
Thanks BBBD,

Maybe a lot of other people can comment on being solution focus rather than adding to the problem. Education starts at home.
EK
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January 05, 2012
My daughter is "Out of District" and has been at Tanglewood since her first day of Kindergarten. Every year I write my letter and pray she gets back in. We only live a few miles from the school but we are still out of district. She loves Tanglewood and I cannot imagine next year telling her that she "didn't get in." She was the top seller in her class for the PTA's largest fundraiser of the year and her father and I are largely dedicated to Tanglewood. Many of her closest friends are out of district as well and the parents are extremely involved. It's easy to be on the inside saying, "that child shouldn't be here." If my child's transfer is not approved in the upcoming years she WILL go to private school.
thelonegrandma
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January 04, 2012
There are many reasons why a parent/guardian might need an out-of-distric transfer. Tanglewood is not unique in its overcrowded classrooms. Every elementary school in this county had overcrowded classrooms at the beginning of the school year, but there are options to the overcrowding, per the Department of Public Instruction. #1) The BOE can hire another teacher; or, #2) The principal is at liberty to create combination classes, wherein more than one grade level is in the same classroom. While some people feel this is a negative thing, it is not. Two of my children were in combination classes several times during their school careers, and it did not prove detrimental for either of them in any way. These are tough times, people. Teachers are teaching sometimes unruly, undisciplined students, and they get little or no support from parents. Tanglewood has long had the reputation of being the "rich, elite" school, and "everybody" wants their child to attend there. I have worked at many of our schools over the years, and I can tell you that there is good and bad at ANY school. Just because some of Tanglewood's parents are doctors, lawyers, etc., does not make it any better a school than any other school in this county. What counts is the dedication and heart of a school's teachers, not how much money the parents make. Yes, Tanglewood has some very dedicated teachers, but so do all the other schools in this county. I have worked in so-called "rich" schools, and I have worked in the poorest areas of our county, and I can tell you that some of my very best experiences in my career have been at what was referred to me once as a "little country school". The PTA President is mistaken about her class size numbers also. While DPI does put a cap of 21 students on all K-3 classrooms, it is also true that if the county average is over 21, those same classes may take up to 24 students per room. Anything over 24 must be remedied by the principal, or else that school is considered to be in "willful disregard" of DPI's directive as it relates to class size. As for her comment about the BOE "to step up to the plate and do what is right for the students of Tanglewood Elementary as it is the students who are suffering from their political plays", maybe it is time for more privileged people to step up to the plate and try to help EVERY child in the PSRC to get a better education. Why just Tanglewood? Why not all of our schools? Surely she cannot mean that Tanglewood students are "above" other schools' students and therefore deserve better. The letter written to this newspaper seems a bit discriminatory to me. Whever happened to "Children First", our motto of years gone by? Has it turned into "Privileged First"?

CarlS
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January 05, 2012
thelonegrandma I have a couple of comments on your post. 1) They have hired a new teacher, where do you propose that they put this new teacher? There is no available classroom space in the school. The same can be said about a combination class, if the classes are at or above DPI capacity how can you add more/ move students? If overcrowding is a problem at every school then we need to address it at every school. The problem with Tanglewood is that the overcrowding is not created by an abundance of kids in district it is created by the willingness of the BOE to accept out of district transfers at such an alarming number. There is a problem at Tanglewood that is created by the same group that should provide the solution. For example, if your household budget is strained by excesses such as going out for every meal you have two choices: supplement your income or stop going out for meals. This is what Ms. Rich is trying to present. Something needs to be done. Either eliminate the problem or fund a solution. To the best of my knowledge there are no doctors or lawyers presently enrolled at Tanglewood just elementary students so why is Tanglewood any "better" than the other schools? One answer, parental involvement. Parents are concerned about the education of their children. I applaud Mrs. Rich for voicing her concerns in public and I encourage every parent at every school to stand up for your children if you feel that they are being handed a disservice. If it takes someone standing up to make a difference I hope that she is the vessel of change. 27 kids in kindergarten is too many especially when you factor in the reduction of teacher assistant hours. Many of the assistants end up “volunteering” an extra 2 hours a day out of a moral obligation to the children. Would you work an extra 2 hours a day for your employer without pay? Kindergarten is not a lecture course it is a lab. 5 year olds have the attention span of well 5 year olds. That’s why they have centers in elementary classrooms. Small groups are conducive to learning at that age. That is why 3-4 extra kids make such a difference in a classroom (tellingitlikeitis). Bottom line is Tanglewood does not have the resources to offset the expense of overcrowding. All parents at every school should strive to make the most of their child’s educational experience. It is our obligation as parents. Kudos to you Mrs. Rich for looking out for your kids. I hope that more parents “stir up trouble” and eliminate the obstacles in the education system in Robeson County.
Proud_Parent12
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January 04, 2012
Let's get the opinion of the parent of a transfer student, shall we?

First of all, parents within the district need to stop acting like children and stop gossiping at school where your conversations are being heard by others! Substitute teachers, as well as teachers of Tanglewood, need to keep comments to themselves and be reminded of all the teacher assistants that were let go and would love to substitute in order to make ends meet. This entire situation makes the children feel unwanted. Be informed, our children are just as good as children within the district.

Secondly, Mrs. Rich, you need to go back and check your records to see just how much money transfer students bring into the school. I, as well as other transfer parents I know, have contributed hundreds if not thousands of dollars in fundraising monies to help the school.

I think this is a case of people with too much time on their hands and nothing better to do than stir up trouble where none was needed. Since you have nothing better to do (I understand you have no job), why don't you go assist the teachers? That way, you can take turns assisting in each classroom. I'm sure the teachers would greatly appreciate it!!

Finally, if you had done your homework and made sure things would pass before cutting down the trees, the money wouldn't have been spent and you wouldn't be so upset about it!
LumbertonParent
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January 04, 2012
As a parent of children who attend Tanglewood, I'd like to add four points to the conversation about this letter:

1) There are many excellent and legitimate reasons why a parent would want to send his or her child to Tanglewood as an out of district transfer. I have nothing against out of district transfers and I would hope that all parents would try to make the best educational decision for their child.

2) All schools in Robeson County, including Tanglewood, should have a limit on the number of out of district transfer students they can accept based solely on their capacity. Capacity should be based on each school's number of indistrict students, teachers, and classrooms, as well as the DPI mandates for the maximum number of students per class in each grade level. The School Board should not be approving out of district transfers above the capacity of any school.

3) If the School Board finds it necessary, or just nice, to approve transfers to any school that results in the school being over its capacity limit then the Board needs to also provide the resources - teachers, classroom space, technology, etc. - for those additional students.

4) Because the Board has not either established a capacity limit or been able to provide additional classroom space at Tanglewood Elementary, kindergarten classes currently have as many as 27 students. An additional kindergarten teacher has been hired, but she cannot teach students as she does not have a classroom.

So the issue is not transfers in general, but the Board approving transfers to Tanglewood, or any school in the county, that cause it to be over capacity without providing necessary resources.
EducationGuru
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January 03, 2012
As a parent of a student who attends Tanglewood Elementary, I am appalled at the number of out of district transfers that the major of our school board members support! The reason I purchased my home in the Tanglewood School District was to enable my child to attend this school without overcrowding! That was a joke! I have a large house payment, city and county taxes and other expenses! My student doesn't have the luxury of smaller class sizes. If an out of district parent wanted their child to attend this school, why didn't they buy within the district!!!!! Also, what does it say about our school board members who support out of district transfers, My schools are not good enough for your child/children!!!!! Teachers are teachers and there are excellent teachers across our county not just at Tanglewood! Another question comes to mind.....Tanglewood is not a Title 1 school so where does the money go when a student from a Title 1 school transfers in? This is the elephant in the room and no one wants to address the problem. I say....if you want to transfer your child to an out of district school, pay up!!!!!!!! Teachers at all schools are suffering without assistance of teacher assistances and parental support, If you are not happy with the school your child attends, share your concerns with the principal. It is time for change and I do believe that the time is now!!!!! We have several board members whose family relatives attend out of district schools. You may want to ask them why and what are the drawbacks of the schools they represent and what are they doing to improve the quality of their schools along with the test scores. If they can't answer, you want what to consider another candidate for the district you live in! I know that I have stepped on toes, but enough is enough!!!!!!!!!
thelonegrandma
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January 04, 2012
Maybe every parent who wants his/her child to attend "your" school cannot afford to "buy within the district." Are other children not good enough to you to deserve the same opportunities our school system offers? When a Title 1 student moves into your district, that money is gone; Tanglewood does not receive it, but then neither does anyone else. It simply reduces the amount of Title 1 funding the county gets from the government.
tellingitlikeitis
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January 01, 2012
How do you guys know that the increase isn't coming from families actually moving into the area? Do they have a note attached saying "I came from another town. Or is it that the child looks different than the majority of children at the school. Teachers are paid to teach whether it's 4 more or 4 less. Tanglewood is not exempt because of location and what some believe to be status. Parents of a certain status quo are allowed to transport their children to Tanglewood because they work in the area. Then you have those who have the option to place their children on a bus to attend a school, where they feel their child will get a better education. Personally, I will prefer leaving my child in Public Education (I know some of you will argue that TW is, REALLY). We teach our child to be competitive no matter where you are and we have found that our child is in the top percentile across the State even at a low performing school. O and by the way our child is not of the majority you will see at Tanglewood, but can compete with every child there. Ms Rich I know where you are going with this and hope that you will understand that your situation has been occuring to other schools far before now. Just drop in on Rowland Norment, Carrol Middle and others. Teachers teach or go home. I'm sure some of those who were sent home will gladly teach 3-4 extra students.
BBBD
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January 03, 2012
You're right that this is not a Tanglewood only issue. It's statewide, and I'm pretty sure Union Elementary's enrollment skyrocketted this year as well.

But, please, put away the race card. There are plenty of clues that a child is out of district that don't involve the way the child looks.
Yourefromwhere
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December 30, 2011
Very well said. I've seen my fair share at Tanglewood as well, and know plenty of teachers there. Each grade level has just as many problems. Teacher assistants having to split time in classrooms, leaving teachers BEGGING for volunteers. Parents are allowed to take and sit with children at lunch, giving the teachers a "Duty free lunch", basically time to catch up for the rest of the day. It is wearing them down. The county would rather waste money cutting down trees than hiring teacher assistants. How much does it cost to cut down 4 large pines, grade and level a 40'x40' area, and pour reinforced footers for a mobile unit? Probably quite a lot.

BBBD
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December 30, 2011
The board is just doing what DPI tells them. Only four or five schools in the county made AYP last year. So according to DPI, all the other schools are the worst schools in America and the parents of children that attend those schools have a right to transfer their students to one of the few schools that made AYP. The county even has to pick up the tab to provide transportation! The root of your problem is with DPI and the politicians that run education in this state and this country.
standstrong
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January 13, 2012
I beg to differ. The School Board has too much power over local decisions such as, who can attend Tanglewood out of their district. DPI could care less. DPI will only govern the numbers reported to them. Folks are right to put the blame on board members, most of which should be at home or volunteering in the schools during thier retirement years. Our school board, just as our Superintendent, continues to carry on the age old tradition of scratching each others backs. Making allowances for their friends and childrens friends. Bottom line. They dont care either. They dont have to be on the front line of overcrowded anything, as a result of the poor decisions they make. Some of them HAVE NO CLUE, what its like to answer to 20 students and their parents everyday. They get to do what they do best. Make unthought out decisions about children they cannot relate to and run home and hide until the next meeting. They should be made to relieve the teachers for "dutyfree" lunch. ....And sorry to burst your bubble. You got some bad teachers with ethic issues on staff at Tanglewood, JUST LIKE YOU DO EVERYWHERE ELSE.
BBBD
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January 14, 2012
Standstrong, you didn't burst my bubble. There are good and bad teachers at every school in America just like there are good and bad employees in every line of work. Nothing you wrote really contradicts what I wrote. However, like I said, you have to go higher up the chain of command to get at the root of this issue.
brediger
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December 30, 2011
Very well said. This has been a problem since my daughters were at Tanglewood years ago. There were kids from Fairmont, Red Springs and all across Robco. Students should go to school where they live and if the parents find the school sub par then that is what private schools are for. Give Tanglewood a break!
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